Lattice constant deviation

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Lattice constant deviation

#1 Post by IBRAHIM » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:51 am

Dear All,

I doped Fe perovskites by Co, however the lattice constant is strangely expanded by one Co atom but then it is normally contracted by increasing number of Co atoms. I tried PBE and PBEsol.

I am using POTCAR: PAW_PBE Fe_pv 02Aug2007 and PAW_PBE Co 02Aug2007.

why the lattice constant is expanded by one Co atom?

I will also try different POTCARs.

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Lattice constant deviation

#2 Post by IBRAHIM » Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:28 am

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Re: Lattice constant deviation

#3 Post by martin.schlipf » Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:44 am

This seems to be more of a physics question, which we cannot really address. I can suggest having a look at the magnetic moments, structural stability, dependence on xc functional, ...

Perhaps another user has some experience in this or other similar systems and can give more specific advise.

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#4 Post by IBRAHIM » Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:03 am

Thank you very much.

May be also it is related to the oxidation states of those cations.
Could that happened using VASP?

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#5 Post by martin.schlipf » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:01 am

Yes changes to the oxidation state can impact the size of the cell. However note that in general electrons don't sit exactly on a single atom so there will be always a bit of arbitrariness to which atom you assign a certain charge.

For a qualitative picture, it may be enough to use the LORBIT tag, possibly tweaking RWIGS to get the best possible results. If you want to make a more systematic approach, you can do a Bader type charge analysis. A quick Google search found this tool that claims to work on VASP output, though that software is not developed by us, so I cannot comment on its robustness or precision.

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Re: Lattice constant deviation

#6 Post by IBRAHIM » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:51 am

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation.

Indeed, I did the Bader charge analysis and found a low charge on Co in that system compared to pure systems and the other doped systems.

Thanks for confirming that the oxidation states can impact the cell size using VASP.

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#7 Post by martin.schlipf » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:55 pm

Just to be completely clear, if the oxidation state changes it is a physical origin not an artifact of the calculation. Essentially the interactions change and therefore the distances can as well.

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#8 Post by IBRAHIM » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:01 am

Thank you very much.

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